“Privacy vs Transparency-Where do you draw the line?” (#cwc09 liveblog)
This liveblog will be launched right after Erica Hargreave’s session.
“Privacy vs Transparency-Where do you draw the line?“- Gillian Shaw, Rebecca Bollwitt, and Erica Hargreave. Moderated by Doyle Albee
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(06/27/2009) |
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Raul: Doyle describes 60 years of best practices, whereas this space is brand new. He was reflecting on this recently. It’s funny because he’s a PR guy so they’re the polar opposites. |
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Raul: GILLIAN
It is actually kind about holding up personal information. You don’t use your own voice in the newspaper, if you are a writer. You don’t share of yourself, you are telling someone else’s story. Gillian has been very deep in the culture of being very private. |
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Raul: It kind of presents a dilemma and she hasn’t totally resolved it. On the one hand, you DO want to be part of the dialogue, and Gillian is open to sharing a lot about herself. But on the other hand, even if she doesn’t cover tough stuff (like shootings and gangs), people don’t always like things we write. You don’t want to put all the people around you out there. |
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Deetells: @SmileyVegas So glad! Hope you liked the colors-couldn’t decide, so just sent both! You can never have too many shoes! #cwc09 |
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wired_crow: I’m glad to know not all panelists are not comfortable with sharing everything and that here’s a heavy dosage of caution as well. #cwc09 |
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Raul: You kind of have to know that you don’t know who you’re talking to. |
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Raul: REBECCA
Something like 70% of women who go online don’t use their actual real name. Rebecca began only as miss604. It wasn’t until she got married that she put her married name. She has photos online out there. |
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Raul: It’s finding that balance. A lot of people don’t know the real Rebecca because of the miss604 identity. Rebecca does put where to find herself (maybe get a stalker some day). But not putting herself in danger. |
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Raul: Rebecca uses Facebook. Her Facebook page is generally herself. For her FB is private. Twitter is much more public. |
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Raul: Making them both the same and authentic, but also keeping that private life. |
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Raul: ERICA
Used to be incredibly private with her online life. Through working with the character she’s become more open. Part of that is because Emme is telling a story, and we tell all of her most embarrassing moments online. |
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zaellen: ”Privacy vs Transparency-Where do you draw the line?”- Gillian Shaw, Rebecca Bollwitt, and Erica Hargreave. Moderated by Doyle Albee #cwc09 |
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Raul: Erica’s family may not want to have their stuff online. |
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Raul: Erica works with kids a lot, she doesn’t put photos of kids online unless there is an explicit permission. |
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wired_crow: It sounds a little like every panelist has a slightly different line drawn between personal and online. #cwc09 |
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Raul: Erica’s address is not available online, so she looks at the space from the perspective of an educator and a teacher. She doesn’t think that we should stop them from being online. |
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Raul: But she does think that we need to teach kids how to use the tools safely. |
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Deetells: Wrapping up today w/privacy vs transparency panel-love this topic, so many interesting perspectives. Then off to Earls at 1185 Robson #cwc09 |
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Raul: DOYLE - What do you think of – is there something about you that your boss can potentially see?
Erica - The first thing a hiring person can do is look at the Facebook profile and/or the online presence. He looks at it from the perspective of “is there anything there that would ever provide concern to the side of the professional life”. So far, there isn’t.
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hummingbird604: In complementing a great panel on transparency #cwc09 – putting stuff out there means having an online presence that is PERMANENT. |
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Raul: GILLIAN – As a journalist you have even more challenges (what if you tweet something that gives a political leaning – could that come back and haunt you?). When do you go off record
Gillian – As the columnist, you can have an opinion. You’re putting your name out there as an editorial. You CAN have an opinion. As reporters you’re supposed to provide a balanced coverage, you are supposed to be telling both sides of the story. You have to bear that in mind. When I write about online security and online reputation a rule of thumb is – don’t put anything out there that you would mind reading on the front page of the newspaper.
A politician that tweets something indiscreet or off-the-mark it’s out there, on the record, searchable and you can’t take it back. During the election, Gillian followed the election and what candidates were doing re: tech/social media. But she never ever said “I think Candidate A is a moron” because exaclty that, she can be next week the political reporter and your credibility is kind of destroyed. If you come out with an opinion and then try to step back and pretend that you’re telling a balanced story. |
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wired_crow: Issues being discussed: what image you want to present (the alcohol in hand problem) and your opinions interferring with your job? #cwc09 |
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zaellen: great panel about privacy and transparency with @gillianshaw @miss604 and @ericahargreave #cwc09 |
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mdassinger: This sounds like a great networking opportunity for us women who are immersed in social media: www.chickswhoclick.net/chickswhoclick.html |
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Raul: Doyle – Rebecca/online persona – something that you said as Miss604 haunted you as Rebecca or viceversa?
Rebecca – There’s not so much a separation between Miss604 and Rebecca, but she does filter what she says out there. She would show a balanced viewpoint. If something is really negative, she will not say “they sucked” - she’ll highlight the good points and that’s about it. It’s just kind of filtering what she says so that it is respectable, it is credible. It’s still what she feels but not what is going to be haunting anybody.
Mixing the online and personal identities so that they’re stand up. What she wants to have out there. Make sure that somebody doesn’t take a photo or don’t put it publicly.
If you are saying something in the online sphere and somebody gets a hold of that. If you really need to take it out of your chest, just call a friend. |
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Raul: Erica - not everybody is like Rebecca or Raul (who are big bloggers and very respected and respectable). There is no actual real code of ethics. There was a photo published from a fashion event where models’ stuff was really showing off. There were people forwarding this.
When you put on a costume you don’t have control over whether things are misplaced, etc. But if they come from a professional space, that photographer would never have another job in a fashion set. That’s what creates these problems. Not all of us have the same ethics. It’s scary. |
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hummingbird604: Very true – @EricaHargreave is speaking to the issue of having a code of ethics #cwc09 |
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wired_crow: Ethics for people in the social media scene lacks policing and that causes a huge problem that leads to lack of respect. #cwc09 |
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Raul: Megan Cole – the rest of the world is very voyeuristic. |
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5minutesformom: Great discussion about ethics on social media. #cwc09 |
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Raul: Adapting the old media and overlaying with the new media – it can lead to some interesting things. The importance of being authentic. When I’m online, when I’m engaged with readers, friends, people in my networks, I am not anybody but me, I do try to keep the same authentic me. Of course the question is how far do you need to go to be authentic? Do you have to share every single detail of your life? |
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lisa_dawson: Transparency vs. privacy in social media: Just because you blog or tweet does not mean that you give up all rights to privacy. #cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: I spoke to the issue of being open online does not mean being voyeuristic nor narcissistic #cwc09 I’m less narcissistic than thought |
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Raul: We are discussing the Associated Press guidelines for social media. They were really telling them how to do that.
If we don’t do it ourselves, do I as PR firm need to say that? Have I gone too far by not providing a Social Media Guidelines thing. |
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susancarraretto: Importance of being authentic but how far do you have to go? @gillianshaw #cwc09 |
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ColleenCoplick: priv panel #cwc09 is interesting – point just came up abt online persona vs offline. ppl assume my online persona is same as me in person |
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Raul: Erica – They want to use her name. As we’ve been chatting… they want to use the online presence (Emme Rogers’ character). Are they going to be trying to guide what Emme is going to be saying. |
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hummingbird604: @ColleenCoplick In a way it is, but in other ways, I think your offline persona is richer and more nuanced and other aspects #cwc09 |
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Raul: Rebecca – You need to make a separation between business and personal. Rebecca is giving an example of one of the producers updating the show’s Twitter account and doing some personal tweets. So you have to have your own personal account and also be transparent about who is tweeting in the name of the company. |
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Raul: Megan Cole – we are still discovering how to do it and what lines can and cannot be broken.
It is indeed a learning curve in this new space. |
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techtalkformoms: RT @5minutesformom: Great discussion about ethics on social media. #cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: Well, I do hope that people are following along the #cwc09 liveblog – |
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lisa_dawson: Offline personas are so much richer than online personas. Unfortunately, people often assume they are the same. #cwc09 |
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Raul: Whoever is tweeting as Telus, you’re only answering that. It is really worth writing and creating. |
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Raul: There is a lot of forensic specialists for computers – a prospective employer – profile mining – data mining about your profile. People coming out of college, recruiters may want to look at what’s on your Facebook. |
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Raul: Developing a Twitter ‘best practices’ thing. |
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wired_crow: Corporate identities vs personal. It’s nice to be personal but thr’s a line It’s hard but you have to be aware of the difft hats @cwc09 |
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wired_crow: Best practices and guidelines are very important! When can you use the company name? This doesn’t feel like it’s a clear line either #cwc09 |
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wired_crow: The way you write can guide your audience in what is appropriate in your sphere. – @hummingbird604 #cwc09 |
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Raul: Rebecca – on handling comments from the transparency
1) People always say that people are talking about you whether or not. You might as well have the official message. One thing that Rebecca did was own some of the negative sides. Make sure that the positive message first and the negative message.
2) Negative comments – as Raul said, you set the tone on your site. You can tell that his readers feel the same way. It’s this whole thing. |
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Raul: People come to Rebecca’s site but not many comments – if it’s something constructive she posts it; if it’s something jerky – she doesn’t get into flamewars on her site. |
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lisa_dawson: Topic shift to corp social media policy: To have or not to have? Where’s the line between corp representation & personal opinion? #cwc09 |
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Raul: It’s about what Rebecca wants to do on her site. Her site is very positive. If it’s something that you can definitely respond to, the way you respond to negative comments as a company – you can email that person public or privately. |
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Raul: Knowing to respond. They’ll respond directly on Twitter (@lululemon) |
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wired_crow: Know when to deal with things offline. – @Miss604 #cwc09 So true! |
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Raul: Where do you draw the line of how controversial you are if you feel you can affect friends or neighbours? do you have a responsibility there?
Erica - I think you have a responsibility. Sometimes that thing can happen without you necessarily meaning for it to happen. We sometimes run into these issues with Emme. Sometimes basically people will think that what’s going with Emme is what’s going on with the writer’s life and it’s not. She’s a story. They’ve run into problems with that from time to time. |
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Raul: Ethically – what are you comfortable with? Sometimes things can be taken in a negative way that weren’t necessarily meant in a negative way if that does occur. It means that you just have to be cognizant of the people in your life that you love and that sometimes, stuff might happen that they won’t like and that you just have to say “oops, I’m sorry, how can we fix this?“. But this can happen in a non-online space too, anyways. |
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Deetells: How many are coming to cocktails? Thinking about changing the location to make it easy. #cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: RT @wired_crow: The way you write can guide your audience in what is appropriate in your sphere. – @hummingbird604 #cwc09 |
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Raul: Gillian – Our web editors do moderate the comments on the larger site, but on their blogs (Vancouver Sun) they do it themselves. Comments go with the territoy. Those questions do come up. They can be issues of safety (Kim Bolan writes in an area where people are shooting each other on a daily basis). There’ll be people writing comments on her blog who probably know (insiders to the information). She has been awoken by somebody on her BlackBerry saying “you got to get this comment off your blog”. That is, indeed, a dilemma. |
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Raul: Now comments become a judgement for all the writers who have to moderate their own comments. You do it yourselves on a certain level. Or you go to senior editors. Or you go to the lawyers. In her space she is mostly spared. |
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zaellen: @Deetells I’ll be there for an hour or so before i hit the road #cwc09 |
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Raul: Rebecca – Has something happened to you online that has made you move your line back?
Rebecca – She was criticized 2 years ago about a photo that showed sort of ‘much cleavage’ according to some people. But people said “why did you remove that photo? It’s YOUR site!”.
Her husband is super supportive.
Rebecca does not respond/send an army of Twitter followers. Not making a big deal of trolls (behind the scenes it really does affect personally).
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susancarraretto: @Deetells I’m planning on coming for cocktails. Walking distance is good. #cwc09 |
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Raul: Erica – some photos have been negatively criticized and she sometimes has had to be thick skinned. One person mistook themselves in the storyline sometime. |
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Raul: There’s a degree of shyness to posting ‘gossipy’ stuff. |
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Deetells: Cocktails afterwards at Don Guacamoles directly across the street. Because who doesn’t like a good margarita? #cwc09 |
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Raul: Megan Cole has a question
When you have your own space, you monitor your online presence, etc. You don’t feed the negative side. You don’t feel the trolls. Erica mentioned that on Facebook you find it very difficult to interact. Facebook is good in that they can block people, etc.
There’s a lot of things that you can control on Facebook. They’re busy people but they are good at that. |
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hummingbird604: Have people found the liveblogs helpful? #cwc09 |
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Deetells: @hummingbird604 Troll Management, totally my new favorite phrase! Thanks hummingbird604! #cwc09 |
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lisa_dawson: RT @Deetells: Troll Management, totally my new favorite phrase! Thanks @hummingbird604! #cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: Now @Deetells is wrapping things up for #cwc09 |
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susancarraretto: Great conference! Now time for cocktails. #cwc09 |
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ColleenCoplick: #cwc09 after party moving to don guacamole’s on robson |
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jordanbehan: #cwc09 Made a very big impression on me in a very short time. Cheers @deetells, I came away inspired by the discussion in the room. |
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jordanbehan: High fives to @awsamuel, @megancole, @maurar and @victoriarevay the kickass panel at #cwc09. Apologies to Victoria for dodgy phone audio. |
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ColleenCoplick: Someone left a dell power cable at #cwc09. It’s at the listel front desk. |
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sundi_moz: @Deetells Within walking distance of your room would be a good idea! ;p #cwc09 |
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sonsryan: @deetells Thx for bringing #cwc09 to Vancouver. I am so inspired by the panel who presented today. |
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awsamuel: Celebrating the mutual support vibe from today’s #cwc09 by following its tweeters. |
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ColleenCoplick: home from #cwc09 and the *appalling* service at don guacamole’s. I’ll go back and give them one more chance, but oi that was horrid. |
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hummingbird604: @ColleenCoplick sorry to hear about the horrid service at Don Guacamole’s – it was good when @miss604 and I went #cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: @raincoaster I`m a good grasshopper – I talked about Troll Management 101 – bring the flamewar to YOUR territory – at cwc09 |
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hummingbird604: @RobCottingham You should be proud of @awsamuel – she gave such a great preso at #cwc09 – and praised her husband like there’s no 2morrow |
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RobCottingham: @hummingbird604 Thanks, Raul – I’m a very, very lucky fella. #cwc09 |
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