Open Internet Town Hall – Digital Strategy for Canada #VanChangeCamp (liveblog)
ISP – Internet Service Provider
CRTC – Canadian Radio and Television Teleccomunications Commission
| Open Internet Town Hall |
(06/20/2009) |
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Raul: Steve Anderson and the Open Internet Town Hall Vancouver starts with a video of what net neutrality means. The session is also being livestreamed. |
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Jennerosity: Wish I could clone myself so I could be at work and check out all the other cool events like #vanchangecamp too. |
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twitcouver: Steve Anderson’s touring Canada w/ public forums raising the alarm bell on why the net neutrality issue = scary as hell #vanchangecamp |
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Raul: Steve Anderson (National Coordinator for Democratic Media) is first to speak.
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fishtron: townhall on canadian internet is short of intimidating D: #vcc09 |
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chicken_scratch: RT @dbhume: @mayorgregor, nice to meet you! Really awesome you came to see us at #vcc09. (via @twazzup) |
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Raul: A couple of these have happened already in Ottawa and Toronto. It’s quite fitting that we are at ChangeCamp – citizens invite governments to come along with us. Most Canadians didn’t know what net neutrality was and now we have the CRTC looking into Net Neutrality.
The Liberals have mentioned their interest and support in net neutrality (NDP had already started with support) |
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twitcouver: This session is streaming on live video, & currently being viewed as far away as France. Jacob Glick of Google Canada up soon #vanchangecamp |
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greensandbox: #vanchangecamp sessions suggest that meaningful change is dependent upon the embodiment, realization of a changed citizen aesthetic |
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Raul: JACOB GLICK
Google’s Canada Policy Council
Thanks to everyone. Net neutrality is a key issue. For Google this issue is all about information and innovation. The internet is a platform for social innovation and cultural innovation (all kinds of innovation). |
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ni_kol: #vcc09 Open Internet town hall (after lunch at Nuba) In attendance: Mayor Robertson, Councellor Reimer and MP Davies |
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Raul: That is where data is more or less transmitted without any intermediate parts. The intelligence is built into the applications. It has facilitated tremendous explosion speech never before possible. |
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Raul: All sorts of people are capable of communicating with mass audiences, not just people along communications networks. That matters, that’s an important kind of innovation that the internet facilitates and that we need to protect. |
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simonehudson: @mayorgregor is here at #vanchangecamp now! Thanks for working together to make our government more open and responsive! |
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Raul: Technological innovation is also important. The open standards, open networks, open source have allowed companies with very little resources to develop products to work online without having to ask anybody’s permission and can work within a matter of days, months, sometimes years.
The capacity for that kind of innovation also differentiates the internet from all sorts of other telecommunications networks. It’s that capacity that we are looking to preserve. |
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vanchangecamp: RT @greensandbox: #vcc09 sessions suggest meaningful change is dependent upon the embodiment, realization of a changed citizen aesthetic |
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hummingbird604: Jacob Glick from Google is brilliant, So is @steveinfos #vcc09 – open internet town hall |
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dbhume: @Mlsif have you met #vanchangecamp #vcc09? Awesome unconference on responsive government and self-organizing citizens here in Vancouver Can. |
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vanchangecamp: RT @simonehudson: @mayorgregor is here at #vanchangecamp now! Thanks for working together 2 make our government more open and responsive! |
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Raul: ROCKY
Reflecting real quick on some of the things that have happened in the last week and a half. |
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Raul: It’s kind of really neat and comforting that today’s focus was on a variety of things but mainly the amalgamation of Toronto and Ottawa events (Town Hall). From our perspective (the competitor perspective) sets the foundation for things to come. From a net neutrality and open internet perspective it’s great. |
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dbhume: In the session on net neutrality. Hoping to learn a lot. #vcc09 |
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Raul: The internet is very powerful. |
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arubixcube: @rilan: Check this out- http://vanchangecamp.wordpress.com/. Also check out the wikis that are being updated as the conference goes on! |
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garthfrizzell: In the session on municipal sharing- interoperability and procurement and joint buying. Hoping to learn a lot. #vcc09 |
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Raul: LIBBY DAVIES (Member of Parliament, Vancouver-East, Deputy Leader of NDP)
Libby too came from Ottawa and she’s on the Ottawa time zone. ChangeCamp is really timely. The CRTC are beginning hearings in July on the whole question of net neutrality. Libby took a look at the press release, the CRTC is sort of a policy of “hands off” — they believe that they shouldn’t be involved at all. |
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Raul: The openness of the internet, the neutrality of the internet, something we have got to take for granted is now threatened. Libby tried to think about it in terms of more historical content and it made her think of public libraries. A century ago, most people got their information from public libraries. They were designed that way, open, free. Accesible for everyone. |
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hummingbird604: Sorry to be missing @counti8’s session on mapping  #vcc09 – I hope to learn more in a one-on-one meeting |
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dbhume: Libby Davies is here! Great to see elected officials here. Important to help lead change. Believe it or not they have a lot of wisdom #vcc09 |
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melagee: People, please, the phrase “hence why” is redundant. Learn this. #vcc09 |
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jasonmclaren: Finally got on the internet at vancouver changecamp. What is it with open net conferences and flaky wireless? #vcc09 |
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chicken_scratch: RT @garthfrizzell: In the session on municipal sharing- interoperability and procurement and joint buying. Hoping to learn a lot. #vcc09 |
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Raul: We were talking about Carnegie Library. That was a philosophy that was adopted by the city. That’s what we are facing here. We are not only thinking in terms of websites but also in terms of political debate on openness.
Rabble
Tyee
(all kinds of alternative media)
If they get shut down or slowed down because of what these huge telecomms are doing, purely out of profit reasons, this is a huge public policy issue. |
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Raul: We are talking about stopping throttling. The Conservative government is moving forward with bills that would police the internet even more. |
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vanchangecamp: RT @dbhume: @LibbyDavies is here! Gr8 2 see electd officials here. Important 2 help lead change. Believe it or not they have a lot of wisdom |
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bella_b: MP Libby Davies likens net neutrality to public libraries. Free & everyone has the right to enter & be accepted as an equal citizen. #vcc09 |
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Raul: These bills that were introduced on Thursday and will be coming up in September will provide more power and will force ISPs to pay fees to revamp their equipment to allow their sites to be intercepted for so-called security reasons. This has big implications for societal privacy. |
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Raul: We should be able to engage in the political process and we shouldn’t be afraid of doing that. |
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Raul: The power of the internet to mobilize people is amazing. |
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dale42: When you tell the truth and continue to tell the truth, people will begin repeating the info #vcc09 |
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amedd: Listening to Libby Davies speak about net neutrality. #vcc09 |
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vanchangecamp: RT @bella_b: MP @LibbyDavies likens net neutrality 2 public libraries. Free & everyone has the right to enter & be accepted as equal citizen |
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hummingbird604: .@libbydavies made such great, cogent and articulate points on net neutrality #vcc09 |
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chicken_scratch: RT @dale42: When you tell the truth and continue to tell the truth, people will begin repeating the info #vcc09 (via @twazzup) |
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bella_b: Amazed at the number of folks taking notes on paper at vanchangecamp. Haha! Me=tech nerd. #vcc09 |
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cambel: Map data: what is right interface and who should own the data? How can it be shared, searched and compiled? #vcc09 |
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simonehudson: RT @dbhume: @LibbyDavies is here! Gr8 2 see electd officials here. Important 2 help lead change. (via @vanchangecamp) |
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Raul: JASON LAMARSH
Things that Jason would like to add. Things that are happening internationally. When Jason looks at things that are happening right now – things in China – supression and government control of the use of websites . |
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Raul: Jason’s definition of network neutrality isn’t the private control of the pipes but the control of the freedoms – being compromised. |
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Raul: We need explicit commitments from our governments that they will explicitly endorse net neutrality. |
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vanchangecamp: RT @cambel: Map data: what is right interface and who should own the data? How can it be shared, searched and compiled? #vcc09 |
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kabutar: Enjoying the #vcc09 session on electoral reform and what went wrong with BCSTV |
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Raul: The downsides of not having access to an open and free internet – Jason’s concerns would have been silenced if there was no respect for internet neutrality. |
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mogusmoves: Sorry to be not listening to Open Net Town Hall, but that’s first time I got access to @mayorgregor’s bberry to show some new tricks. #vcc09 |
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chicken_scratch: @bella_b I’ve forgotten how to write. Sad really, love my devices. So, count me in as a tech nerd @ #vanchangecamp |
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Raul: QUESTIONS AROUND NET NEUTRALITY
Which companies are actually now throttling? |
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hummingbird604: Actually a great question – which Canadian telecomms are actually throttling right now #vcc09 |
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melagee: Karen F. makes maps exciting and interesting. I want to pick her brain. #vcc09 |
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hummingbird604: @bella_b As Confucious once said – the lightest tint is stronger than the mightiest memory #vcc09 |
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vanchangecamp: @melagee yes @counti8 rocks!  #vanchangecamp co-organizer too! |
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Raul: Libby Davies – Telus used their power to strike down striking workers. Example of how this can be useful. |
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dbhume: RT@mogusmoves: Sry 2 b not listening to Open Net TH, but that’s the 1st time I got access 2 @mayorgregor’s bberry to show new tricks #vcc09 |
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scilib: RT @david_a_eaves: Mayor of Vancouver Gregor Robertson arrives at changecamp to check things out #vcc09 |
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hummingbird604: @melagee @counti8’s brain is actually great, I agree – also why the grammar policing? #vcc09 |
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cambel: Vanmap: city of Vancouver source of GIS data. #vcc09 |
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Raul: From the Google side, an increase in speed is an increase in speed of innovation. |
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Raul: Libby Davies is encouraging a national policy on this issue. |
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Raul: The representative of Rabble.ca is here. – If telecomms succeed in throttling it’s going to send us back in democracy 100 years. |
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hummingbird604: Ohhhh @rabbleca is here at the Open Internet Town Hall! #vcc09 |
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counti8: The battle around open data is not just about “the more data the better”, says @david_a_eaves. #vcc09 |
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Raul: David Hume asks – is there a business case for clearing net neutrality?
Jacob says – companies develop new applications – the people who own physical infrastructure where the software communicates with other people – they can make individual decisions on whether the transmissions can be slowed down. |
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Raul: As a practical matter, to play devil’s advocate — normally he speaks to rooms of telecomm executives, so he is providing a new perspective – they are trying to throttle Bit-Torrent (who diminishes the user experience). The greater good for the greatest number. |
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vanchangecamp: @counti8 What is it about? |
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lmighton: Martin Goodman (sp?) from Rabble.ca: this will be one of the most important decisions in Canadian history. #vanchangecamp |
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Raul: Steve A – In the US they have an open internet. Obama has been very clear about this. Why would you start your business in Canada if you see this happening (throttling)? |
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Raul: Telus and Bell want to create a 2-speed internet way (pay money, fast, no pay money, slow) |
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cambel: @bella_b No, we’re keeping it a little high level and trying to wrap up. Great discussion. #vcc09 |
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Raul: The mandate of the CRTC has been drastically changed (one of the panelists, I think it’s Rocky) |
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Raul: Really his question to the presenters – where does the CRTC come from – is the CRTC mandate predisposed? Can they make any decisions on this? |
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bella_b: What’s the biz case for net neutrality? Jacob Glick (Google) says startups won’t invest if there’s risk of throttling. No innovation! #vcc09 |
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Raul: The CRTC has the mandate to tackle the issue, according to Jacob Gleick. It has 2 sections (the law) – that allow them to solve this issue. |
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markhaines: bella_b I don’t think we have chatted yyet. Just look for the guy in the suit  . #vcc09 |
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kevangilbert: @aldenhabacon Really loved your input and energy at #vcc09. Learning from you is easy & inspiring. |
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hummingbird604: @markhaines @bella_b Mark, you were sitting in my session as was Beth. If you still can’t find each other I’ll introduce you #vcc09 |
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vanchangecamp: RT @bella_b: What’s the biz case 4 net neutrality? Jacob Glick (Google) says startups won’t invest if there’s risk of throttling. #vcc09 |
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Raul: How can the individual IP represent. If each of us has a unique address on the internet space. If each of us can have a private certificate, it would be a way that we could technologically represent privacy, security, individuality, and a new form of expressing ourselves and storing our legacy, our lives. But what happens is that when a person passes away there are many opportunities. |
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cambel: With publicly held data it’s not always clear who holds the data, e.g city or coastal health authority. #vcc09 |
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hummingbird604: My paper bag for follow up on Using Social Media to Coordinte Adaptation to Climate Change is in the Sandbox room – drop your card! #vcc09 |
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lmighton: @LibbyDavies So glad you’re here. Is there somewhere this info re: Charlie bill, the seriousness, is written simply? #vanchangecamp |
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joshaughnessy: Love that #plainlanguage is making a forced appearance in a town hall full of techie types. #vanchangecamp |
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vanchangecamp: RT @hummingbird604: My papr bag 4 follow up on Using Soc Media 2 Coordinte Adaptation 2 Climate Change is in the Sandbox room-drop yur card! |
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dbhume: Net neutrality is a pretty technical issue. Plain english and a common vocab gives all of us here a big leg up. #vcc09 |
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apparently_so: Loving all the insight tweets coming out of #vcc09 |
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Raul: What is throttling in plain English and what is the CRTC doing?
Throttling - what happens is – the traffic goes from your home to a box – it filters your traffic, and if it hits a certain type of traffic then it is slowed down. If they don’t see it as a clear “go ahead” they’ll take it as “you should be slowed down”
CRTC role – |
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simonehudson: @aldenhabacon I loved learning from you at #vcc09! You, me and @kevangilbert should jam sometime! |
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hummingbird604: RT @dbhume: Net neutrality is a pretty technical issue. Plain english and a common vocab gives all of us here a big leg up. #vcc09 |
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aldenhabacon: Is wondering if there is a new technology solution to identifying, cultivating, placing the leadership we need to make change happen? #vcc09 |
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vanchangecamp: RT @hummingbird604 RT @dbhume Net neutrality is a pretty tech issue. Plain english & a common vocab gives all of us here a big leg up #vcc09 |
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Raul: There are a variety of pieces to the pie. |
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Raul: The CRTC has regulated this activity . |
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SarahSchacht: Interesting discussion @vanchangecamp re: Canada’s lack of net neutrality. Surprising that they have so much “throttling” of content. |
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chicken_scratch: RT @joshaughnessy: Love that #plainlanguage is making a forced appearance in a town hall full of techie types. #vanchangecamp (via @twazzup) |
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hummingbird604: RT @joshaughnessy: Love that #plainlanguage is making a forced appearance in a town hall full of techie types. #vanchangecamp |
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twitcouver: #vanchangecamp This net neutrality session w/ gov’t and citizens since Thursday’s bill so important, wish streaming video could be saved? |
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vanchangecamp: @MatrikaMedia Re: @twitcouver Is there a way to save/share your awesome live-stream of the open internet town hall? Thanks! #vanchangecamp |
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joshaughnessy: RT @dbhume: Smart facilitation and moderation by @reillyreads here at the Open Net Townhall. Nice time management! #vanchangecamp |
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Raul: I make a point about how to make net neutrality sexier (maybe frame it with a metaphor of racism – a Caucasian ISP, an Asian ISP, etc.) and make it a human rights issue (the right to open access to the internet, same way as we have access to an open society). |
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Raul: I think we’re closing on the liveblog – question asked was – is Google Android net neutral? |
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Raul: LIVEBLOG ENDED. |
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- David Hume on BC as Citizen Engagement Lab: Designing Citizen Engagement with the Province of BC – #VanChangeCamp
- My upcoming (to-be-pitched) talk at @VanChangeCamp
- VanChangeCamp – June 20th, 2009
- Giant Ant Media Open House Liveblog
- Net neutrality in Canada: The challenges ahead
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