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		<title>By: Alt/Indie/Social media makers meet-up to discuss Olympic ideas - True North Media House</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-4875</link>
		<dc:creator>Alt/Indie/Social media makers meet-up to discuss Olympic ideas - True North Media House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Social Media and the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics &#124; johnbollwitt.com</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2690</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media and the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics &#124; johnbollwitt.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] find out more about what was talked about, please check out Raul&#8217;s thorough live blog of the night as well as Dave&#8217;s informative post at Raincitystudios.com about the next steps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] find out more about what was talked about, please check out Raul&#8217;s thorough live blog of the night as well as Dave&#8217;s informative post at Raincitystudios.com about the next steps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Alexander</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2677</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an international press photographer, I can already tell you that unless you are steadfast and dedicated to this goal, and will fight tooth and nail, it may already be too late.

I believe in what you are doing, but I know, based on the hardship already faced by me and my organization, it will be a hard fought battle, and I personally would like to take part in this, If I can.  Just let me know when and where, and I will be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an international press photographer, I can already tell you that unless you are steadfast and dedicated to this goal, and will fight tooth and nail, it may already be too late.</p>
<p>I believe in what you are doing, but I know, based on the hardship already faced by me and my organization, it will be a hard fought battle, and I personally would like to take part in this, If I can.  Just let me know when and where, and I will be there.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy (aka money coach)</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy (aka money coach)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m ambivalent about this.  The whole glory of blogging/twitter is it&#039;s living into post-modernism, ie., not buying into &quot;One True Story&quot; but rather, each person has their own small-t truth they are telling.  

It sounds like (and I would expect) VANOC and probably even the IOC want to create a construct of the True Story of the Olympics, and they have a vested interest in doing so (ie. it has to be compelling = get the crowds/viewers = get the sponsorships).  They then need to screen and &quot;accredit&quot; only the people they trust to tell The Story, and keep out any renegades who may tell small-truth stories which may result in deconstructing their Olympic Story.


-oops - just read @Maurice&#039;s comment above - he said what I&#039;m trying to say!  ---

What does this mean for this initiative?  I think it may be barking up the wrong tree.  Trying to play from the &quot;inside&quot; will likely at best result in adding detail to the True Olympic Story.   What wants that?  The glory and revolution of social media is that we blow any kind of artifical Big-T Truth into pieces in favour of small-t olympic stories.  Those are the stories of meaning and interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ambivalent about this.  The whole glory of blogging/twitter is it&#8217;s living into post-modernism, ie., not buying into &#8220;One True Story&#8221; but rather, each person has their own small-t truth they are telling.  </p>
<p>It sounds like (and I would expect) VANOC and probably even the IOC want to create a construct of the True Story of the Olympics, and they have a vested interest in doing so (ie. it has to be compelling = get the crowds/viewers = get the sponsorships).  They then need to screen and &#8220;accredit&#8221; only the people they trust to tell The Story, and keep out any renegades who may tell small-truth stories which may result in deconstructing their Olympic Story.</p>
<p>-oops &#8211; just read @Maurice&#8217;s comment above &#8211; he said what I&#8217;m trying to say!  &#8212;</p>
<p>What does this mean for this initiative?  I think it may be barking up the wrong tree.  Trying to play from the &#8220;inside&#8221; will likely at best result in adding detail to the True Olympic Story.   What wants that?  The glory and revolution of social media is that we blow any kind of artifical Big-T Truth into pieces in favour of small-t olympic stories.  Those are the stories of meaning and interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lee</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2669</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raul,
A pleasure to meet you and the rest at the meeting. I was the Vancouver Sun reporter you referred to. Pretty wild seeing this as a running blog. Don&#039;t mind saying that at least for this traditional media person, these are changing times. I started out 30+ years ago writing stories on a typewriter (whazzat??) 22 years ago, I filed a scandal story on a Tandy 200 using an accoustic  modem and alligator clips from a laundromat in Penticton, and watched as a cabinet minister resigned 8 hours later. 20 years ago one of my colleagues briefed us on something called HTTP and email, and we all thought that was cool until an editor said &quot;yes, but what makes you think that will make any difference to what we do?&quot; (Yes, he&#039;s still with us, and he now knows the answer to that question.)
Ten years ago we started thinking about a serious web presence. Now, I have an online business of my own. I blog. I Twitter. I Skype. 
Eight months or so ago, The Sun fundamentally began changing how it reports; we now are web-filing first, printing later. At the Beijing Olympics I watched as print journalists got gold-medal results on to their home website before the images were broadcast on TV because of the 30-second delay rule for broadcasters. 
So I look at what you and the others are trying to do as part of the natural evolutionary process. And as I struggle to learn all these new tools, I feel old. It&#039;s akin to being that old moose out in the bush who can hear the heavy breathing of the wolf pack somewhere behind me :-)
Cheers, 
Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raul,<br />
A pleasure to meet you and the rest at the meeting. I was the Vancouver Sun reporter you referred to. Pretty wild seeing this as a running blog. Don&#8217;t mind saying that at least for this traditional media person, these are changing times. I started out 30+ years ago writing stories on a typewriter (whazzat??) 22 years ago, I filed a scandal story on a Tandy 200 using an accoustic  modem and alligator clips from a laundromat in Penticton, and watched as a cabinet minister resigned 8 hours later. 20 years ago one of my colleagues briefed us on something called HTTP and email, and we all thought that was cool until an editor said &#8220;yes, but what makes you think that will make any difference to what we do?&#8221; (Yes, he&#8217;s still with us, and he now knows the answer to that question.)<br />
Ten years ago we started thinking about a serious web presence. Now, I have an online business of my own. I blog. I Twitter. I Skype.<br />
Eight months or so ago, The Sun fundamentally began changing how it reports; we now are web-filing first, printing later. At the Beijing Olympics I watched as print journalists got gold-medal results on to their home website before the images were broadcast on TV because of the 30-second delay rule for broadcasters.<br />
So I look at what you and the others are trying to do as part of the natural evolutionary process. And as I struggle to learn all these new tools, I feel old. It&#8217;s akin to being that old moose out in the bush who can hear the heavy breathing of the wolf pack somewhere behind me <img src='http://hummingbird604.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Cheers,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Vancouver Soc/Alt Media Centre &#124; Protocol 7</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2666</link>
		<dc:creator>Vancouver Soc/Alt Media Centre &#124; Protocol 7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the soft chirps of Tweetdeck and glow of projectors. I won&#8217;t recap the entire evening since Raul liveblogged it all, but as the meeting progressed I experienced a bit of cognitive dissonance because this IMC wanted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DaveO</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2664</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the rocking documentation Raul! Really pleased to meet many remarkable folks face to face.</description>
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		<title>By: ainsleigh</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator>ainsleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great live blog! conveys the enthusiasm of the room. i&#039;m really sorry i had to miss this first meeting, so am very happy to read an accurate extrusion here. 

i want to address whoever&#039;s question this was: &#039;Q.- Hard to monitor whether people are saying things that are bad (or not through the guidelines) on Twitter, blogs, etc. How to deal with it?&#039; ...and add that i think this is an important issue to figure out sooner than later, perhaps as establishing the following as basic terms as soon as possible, and to be developed:

a) especially because the physical IMC does not yet exist, a centralization (mechanism at the very least) for our shared process, and for monitoring community information (aside from people posting info on their own sites)...the freshest personal example that comes to my mind is not knowing about this meeting well enough in advance to be able to physically be there. the need for participation (if not commitment) is imminent, and for reasons that are quite unique to this movement in terms of gaining traction on the playing field with other media operatives.

b) i think there is something to be demonstrated on the level of how well organized we can be in establishing the breadth of this movement, by spending some time scoping out how large this movement (need) really is. consideration for other communities in vancouver (canada and globally) we can connect this movement to (e.g. schools, etc); because this is a movement as much as it is journalism, because it is a call to action as much as it is a call to reflection, how can we share/tag the various levels of immediacy with the information that needs to be acted upon?

that&#039;s my two cents for now...hope to share more in person soon.

as</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great live blog! conveys the enthusiasm of the room. i&#8217;m really sorry i had to miss this first meeting, so am very happy to read an accurate extrusion here. </p>
<p>i want to address whoever&#8217;s question this was: &#8216;Q.- Hard to monitor whether people are saying things that are bad (or not through the guidelines) on Twitter, blogs, etc. How to deal with it?&#8217; &#8230;and add that i think this is an important issue to figure out sooner than later, perhaps as establishing the following as basic terms as soon as possible, and to be developed:</p>
<p>a) especially because the physical IMC does not yet exist, a centralization (mechanism at the very least) for our shared process, and for monitoring community information (aside from people posting info on their own sites)&#8230;the freshest personal example that comes to my mind is not knowing about this meeting well enough in advance to be able to physically be there. the need for participation (if not commitment) is imminent, and for reasons that are quite unique to this movement in terms of gaining traction on the playing field with other media operatives.</p>
<p>b) i think there is something to be demonstrated on the level of how well organized we can be in establishing the breadth of this movement, by spending some time scoping out how large this movement (need) really is. consideration for other communities in vancouver (canada and globally) we can connect this movement to (e.g. schools, etc); because this is a movement as much as it is journalism, because it is a call to action as much as it is a call to reflection, how can we share/tag the various levels of immediacy with the information that needs to be acted upon?</p>
<p>that&#8217;s my two cents for now&#8230;hope to share more in person soon.</p>
<p>as</p>
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		<title>By: Blogaholics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; First 2010 Indy Media Centre Meeting</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogaholics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; First 2010 Indy Media Centre Meeting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not going to recap the meeting here. For that you can go to Raul&#8217;s post where he did a great job of live-blogging the session. There is a webpage/wiki with more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Maurice Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Raul,

Great job! You&#039;re liveblog is well done.

I put forth the consideration last night at the meeting of raising operating funds through companies like Pepsi, or Jones Soda. I threw these two companies on the table off the top of my head though, because there are many others waiting in the wings to fund such a progressive idea like an independent media center. 

I&#039;ve had an Olympics related news blog online since 2004, and even though my audience is small by global social media standards, a company that is a major competitor to a TOPS sponsor has already approached me to use their brand on my websites.

I have never sold any type of advertising on my sites, but will consider it because the offer is substantial. 

Many reputable and well known companies, especially large companies like Pepsi, Ford, Nike, etc., are constantly on the prowl for alternative space beyond traditional areas like Olympic region billboards, busses, and a very long list of other mediums already monopolized and controlled by VANOC in a blanket fashion.

Olympic organizations purchase every speck of advertising space in an Olympic region in an effort to prevent ambush marketing. Pepsi however are innovative and executed a very successful campaign in Beijing. Nike has also done it for years, plus there is a very long list of other companies you know well. They all carefully tread just one step inside legal parameters. Their strategies are legal and ethical.

One area no one can control however is the internet  - not even China

Everyone tries, but as we all witnessed over the last ten years regarding the music industry, it is futile. 

For the last 5 years I&#039;ve invested heavily in extensive research and written in depth in my blog about the impact the internet will, and is having on the traditional IOC business model. I also wrote a book that addresses case studies. Plus, I am hired by companies as an online marketing and promotions analyst to help them develop branding strategies in our 2010 Olympics region. It is the reason I do not have to sell advertising on my web properties. My social media strategies are relatively simple, but they generate considerable revenue through tertiary means. 

Some of my clients have multi million dollar Olympic contracts, and some have nothing at all to offer directly to VANOC. The common denominator is they all want to leverage Olympic momentum – and not break the law. They are all reputable companies, and not one of my clients has ever been sued for overstepping IOC bounds.

I also donate my time to companies who have been unfairly impacted by zealous IOC intimidation. For example, I’ve been intimately involved from day one in the www.998Denman struggle, arguably one of most widely followed IOC VS Small Biz controversies in Canadian history - and maybe even the world unless VANOC manages this issue in a more sensitive manner. We have the best legal minds in the world behind us patiently waiting for the IOC to make their next move. Thousands of people all over the world have signed a petition supporting the small restaurant on Denman, and it has all been done without Twitter – just image what will happen when we turn this tap on.

I’m not a lawyer, but here’s a bit of advice I can offer to everyone who attended the meeting last night:

An organization like VANOC has the power to claim damages from EVERYONE connected to an infraction, which means if their copyright / trademark /official mark police can prove you played a role, even in the slightest way, you can be attached to the recovery order. I would suggest everyone tread carefully until you know the rules.

Yes Raul, this applies to you and your live blog.

VANOC also claims protection under Official mark status described in section 9 of Canadian statutes, which gives it onerous power regarding protection of their brand similar in scope to the Canadian flag or official crests. Until you know exactly what this means, again, I suggest you tread very carefully.

Most people don’t realize until it is too late that special federal considerations were awarded to VANOC and the COC, which means regular rules do not apply. VANOC is very powerful, and has their partners, the municipal, provincial, and federal governments for support. When VANOC needs a law changed it can happen very quickly, and it does.

They will not take kindly to an independent Olympic media center growing in their midst, but hopefully this time around they will be smart enough to realize it is a fight they cannot win through intimidation.

They might win the battle, but they will not win the war when you consider REPUTATION is the IOC ‘s trump card. When they lose the battle in the court of public opinion sponsors will abandon them in droves, and the value of a gold medal will be severely impacted.

I do not want to see this happen, but unfortunately it will.

For the record, I am Pro-Olympics – with a twist, which means I love the sport, but hate the politics.

Already this year four TOPS sponsors have abandoned ship – Johnson &amp; Johnson just recently, and earlier KODAK, Lenovo, and one of the longest sponsor relationships the IOC has had, Manulife Financial, threw in the towel and will no longer support the Olympics. Business week recently asked KODAK the ringing question. “Are Olympic Sponsorships Worth it?”  The answer wasn’t encouraging, and you can find a link to it on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Raul,</p>
<p>Great job! You&#8217;re liveblog is well done.</p>
<p>I put forth the consideration last night at the meeting of raising operating funds through companies like Pepsi, or Jones Soda. I threw these two companies on the table off the top of my head though, because there are many others waiting in the wings to fund such a progressive idea like an independent media center. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had an Olympics related news blog online since 2004, and even though my audience is small by global social media standards, a company that is a major competitor to a TOPS sponsor has already approached me to use their brand on my websites.</p>
<p>I have never sold any type of advertising on my sites, but will consider it because the offer is substantial. </p>
<p>Many reputable and well known companies, especially large companies like Pepsi, Ford, Nike, etc., are constantly on the prowl for alternative space beyond traditional areas like Olympic region billboards, busses, and a very long list of other mediums already monopolized and controlled by VANOC in a blanket fashion.</p>
<p>Olympic organizations purchase every speck of advertising space in an Olympic region in an effort to prevent ambush marketing. Pepsi however are innovative and executed a very successful campaign in Beijing. Nike has also done it for years, plus there is a very long list of other companies you know well. They all carefully tread just one step inside legal parameters. Their strategies are legal and ethical.</p>
<p>One area no one can control however is the internet  &#8211; not even China</p>
<p>Everyone tries, but as we all witnessed over the last ten years regarding the music industry, it is futile. </p>
<p>For the last 5 years I&#8217;ve invested heavily in extensive research and written in depth in my blog about the impact the internet will, and is having on the traditional IOC business model. I also wrote a book that addresses case studies. Plus, I am hired by companies as an online marketing and promotions analyst to help them develop branding strategies in our 2010 Olympics region. It is the reason I do not have to sell advertising on my web properties. My social media strategies are relatively simple, but they generate considerable revenue through tertiary means. </p>
<p>Some of my clients have multi million dollar Olympic contracts, and some have nothing at all to offer directly to VANOC. The common denominator is they all want to leverage Olympic momentum – and not break the law. They are all reputable companies, and not one of my clients has ever been sued for overstepping IOC bounds.</p>
<p>I also donate my time to companies who have been unfairly impacted by zealous IOC intimidation. For example, I’ve been intimately involved from day one in the <a href="http://www.998Denman" rel="nofollow">http://www.998Denman</a> struggle, arguably one of most widely followed IOC VS Small Biz controversies in Canadian history &#8211; and maybe even the world unless VANOC manages this issue in a more sensitive manner. We have the best legal minds in the world behind us patiently waiting for the IOC to make their next move. Thousands of people all over the world have signed a petition supporting the small restaurant on Denman, and it has all been done without Twitter – just image what will happen when we turn this tap on.</p>
<p>I’m not a lawyer, but here’s a bit of advice I can offer to everyone who attended the meeting last night:</p>
<p>An organization like VANOC has the power to claim damages from EVERYONE connected to an infraction, which means if their copyright / trademark /official mark police can prove you played a role, even in the slightest way, you can be attached to the recovery order. I would suggest everyone tread carefully until you know the rules.</p>
<p>Yes Raul, this applies to you and your live blog.</p>
<p>VANOC also claims protection under Official mark status described in section 9 of Canadian statutes, which gives it onerous power regarding protection of their brand similar in scope to the Canadian flag or official crests. Until you know exactly what this means, again, I suggest you tread very carefully.</p>
<p>Most people don’t realize until it is too late that special federal considerations were awarded to VANOC and the COC, which means regular rules do not apply. VANOC is very powerful, and has their partners, the municipal, provincial, and federal governments for support. When VANOC needs a law changed it can happen very quickly, and it does.</p>
<p>They will not take kindly to an independent Olympic media center growing in their midst, but hopefully this time around they will be smart enough to realize it is a fight they cannot win through intimidation.</p>
<p>They might win the battle, but they will not win the war when you consider REPUTATION is the IOC ‘s trump card. When they lose the battle in the court of public opinion sponsors will abandon them in droves, and the value of a gold medal will be severely impacted.</p>
<p>I do not want to see this happen, but unfortunately it will.</p>
<p>For the record, I am Pro-Olympics – with a twist, which means I love the sport, but hate the politics.</p>
<p>Already this year four TOPS sponsors have abandoned ship – Johnson &amp; Johnson just recently, and earlier KODAK, Lenovo, and one of the longest sponsor relationships the IOC has had, Manulife Financial, threw in the towel and will no longer support the Olympics. Business week recently asked KODAK the ringing question. “Are Olympic Sponsorships Worth it?”  The answer wasn’t encouraging, and you can find a link to it on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Sloss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Sloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job Raul! I recorded the event on my flip video, so for some shakyish video check out http://www.viddler.com/explore/socialsquared/videos/2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job Raul! I recorded the event on my flip video, so for some shakyish video check out <a href="http://www.viddler.com/explore/socialsquared/videos/2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.viddler.com/explore/socialsquared/videos/2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for the kind words!</description>
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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pretty phenomenal liveblog; virtually word for word! Congrats, Raul, and FearlessCity is very grateful for your permission to cross-post this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pretty phenomenal liveblog; virtually word for word! Congrats, Raul, and FearlessCity is very grateful for your permission to cross-post this.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Bustos</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2655</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Bustos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite the wrap up there Raul. *claps hands and smiles ear to ear*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite the wrap up there Raul. *claps hands and smiles ear to ear*</p>
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		<title>By: pnts</title>
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		<dc:creator>pnts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was nice to meet you again Raul, and thanks for the liveblog!  Much better than my hand-scrawled notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was nice to meet you again Raul, and thanks for the liveblog!  Much better than my hand-scrawled notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Luk</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2652</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Luk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was the one who asked the guidelines question.
I&#039;ll be more involved along the way so expect to hear more from me, though I won&#039;t have a dedicated blog like yourself.
Just a photographer passionate about social media, and want to help in any way I can. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was the one who asked the guidelines question.<br />
I&#8217;ll be more involved along the way so expect to hear more from me, though I won&#8217;t have a dedicated blog like yourself.<br />
Just a photographer passionate about social media, and want to help in any way I can. <img src='http://hummingbird604.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ankenman</title>
		<link>http://hummingbird604.com/2008/12/04/vanoc-2010-indie-social-media-meeting-liveblog/comment-page-1/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ankenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a great liveblog and it has really got me thinking of how I can get involved. Hmmmm. Looking forward to hearing more. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a great liveblog and it has really got me thinking of how I can get involved. Hmmmm. Looking forward to hearing more. Thanks</p>
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